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		<title>By: &#34;Fat by Choice&#34;</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#34;Fat by Choice&#34;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by Choice&quot;     Here is an article I thought was interesting.  Fat by Choice  A small extract:     Have you ever accidentally eaten a hamburger? What about a tub of ice-cream? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: karenv</title>
		<link>http://www.craigharper.com.au/health-nutrition/fat-by-choice/#comment-23784</link>
		<dc:creator>karenv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice article. Good comments, too. Just thought I&#039;d add that in the South Pacific, fat is considered attractive. The fatter, the better. Tonga is notorious for that. That said, I WISH I LIVED THERE! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice article. Good comments, too. Just thought I&#8217;d add that in the South Pacific, fat is considered attractive. The fatter, the better. Tonga is notorious for that. That said, I WISH I LIVED THERE! <img src='http://www.craigharper.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 05:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant article, I have been implementing this kind of stuff with my clients to get their head around that their choices will dictate what results they get.
Thanks Craig</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant article, I have been implementing this kind of stuff with my clients to get their head around that their choices will dictate what results they get.<br />
Thanks Craig</p>
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		<title>By: Fat by Choice &#124; Breaking News 24/7</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fat by Choice &#124; Breaking News 24/7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.craigharper.com.au/health-nutrition/fat-by-choice/#comment-20206</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael... with love in my heart I want to tell you that I hope you overcome your own demons.  Not to lose weight or change who you are for the sake of society but because there appears to be a lot of pain in your words.  I speak above about &#039;victim&#039; being a state of mind.  I know this to be true for me because I&#039;ve been one in my own mind.  But I made choices to not be any longer.  I have been obese, and through A LOT of pain and tears, I rediscovered what was in my heart.  It really is the choices we make that create our lives.  And you are capable of making choices too.  Sometimes we just need someone to hold our hands while we step off the edge.  I know I did.  x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael&#8230; with love in my heart I want to tell you that I hope you overcome your own demons.  Not to lose weight or change who you are for the sake of society but because there appears to be a lot of pain in your words.  I speak above about &#8216;victim&#8217; being a state of mind.  I know this to be true for me because I&#8217;ve been one in my own mind.  But I made choices to not be any longer.  I have been obese, and through A LOT of pain and tears, I rediscovered what was in my heart.  It really is the choices we make that create our lives.  And you are capable of making choices too.  Sometimes we just need someone to hold our hands while we step off the edge.  I know I did.  x</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.craigharper.com.au/health-nutrition/fat-by-choice/#comment-20172</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pip - you bring up a very interesting point. There are some serious questions around  figure of 68% of Australian&#039;s are overweight. Before tackling these questions, it is necessary to establish where these results were derived. 

This figure was published in a small report by the Baker Heart Institute. It is worth noting firstly that these results have never been published in a peer review journal. That small study was conducted using BMI measurements on a sample of adults who attending a stand at a suburban shopping center. 

When examining the limitations of studies like these there are two critical factors to consider. 1) the outcome variable - in this case BMI, and 2) the sample recruited for the study - in this case, a small sample of  adults who attended the stand at a shopping center on the day of the testing.   

For the sake of brevity I will only briefly summarize these limitations. First, as you correctly state, using BMI to measure body comp has some serous flaws. A good exercise is to  do a BMI analysis on and AFL list, most of them will be overweight.  Better methods are available (such as DEXA, and hydrostatic weighing), but these are  expensive. 
Moreover, the sample they recruited for this study is not a random sample. therefore, one cannot reasonably conclude that such a figure is consistent with the whole population. Hence, this study never has been published. 

Now, this brings into question, is obesity as bigger problem as the media (or Craig) hype it. In short, we (the royal we) don&#039;t know for sure. There needs to be more research to conclude how big it is, and what are the causes. I personally believe the hype stems from the fact that being fat is is such a  &#039;sexy&#039; public media issue. Fat sells. You don&#039;t see any reality TV on other chronic diseases such as shows on dementia or osteoporosis. 

Now to ToniG: You missed the point. The aim of listing some of the proposed causal factors associated with obesity (such as,large portion sizes,ect) was not for you to debunk them one by one. Rather, this was an overview of the proposed factors that lead to weight gain. Not one of these factors are solely responsible. In fact, these highlight that there are a number of factors that lead excessive energy consumption and reduced activity, that are entrenched in our environments. These make a lot more sense than your - personal choice hypothesis.

I suggest you cease forming your opinions from Junk current affairs shows (ACA, Today To Fright) and reality TV (Biggest loser). Do some reading sister, the texts cited should provide you with a more balance view. Also, see the reference below.  

Vin: your right!, I have overcomplicated wight gain, for extract that reason. It is complicated.  

PS. Craig has gone quite, whats up with that ?????


Epstein D, Jimenez Rubio D, Smith PC, Suhrcke M. Social determinants of health: an economic perspective. Health Economics 2009;18:495-502.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pip &#8211; you bring up a very interesting point. There are some serious questions around  figure of 68% of Australian&#8217;s are overweight. Before tackling these questions, it is necessary to establish where these results were derived. </p>
<p>This figure was published in a small report by the Baker Heart Institute. It is worth noting firstly that these results have never been published in a peer review journal. That small study was conducted using BMI measurements on a sample of adults who attending a stand at a suburban shopping center. </p>
<p>When examining the limitations of studies like these there are two critical factors to consider. 1) the outcome variable &#8211; in this case BMI, and 2) the sample recruited for the study &#8211; in this case, a small sample of  adults who attended the stand at a shopping center on the day of the testing.   </p>
<p>For the sake of brevity I will only briefly summarize these limitations. First, as you correctly state, using BMI to measure body comp has some serous flaws. A good exercise is to  do a BMI analysis on and AFL list, most of them will be overweight.  Better methods are available (such as DEXA, and hydrostatic weighing), but these are  expensive.<br />
Moreover, the sample they recruited for this study is not a random sample. therefore, one cannot reasonably conclude that such a figure is consistent with the whole population. Hence, this study never has been published. </p>
<p>Now, this brings into question, is obesity as bigger problem as the media (or Craig) hype it. In short, we (the royal we) don&#8217;t know for sure. There needs to be more research to conclude how big it is, and what are the causes. I personally believe the hype stems from the fact that being fat is is such a  &#8216;sexy&#8217; public media issue. Fat sells. You don&#8217;t see any reality TV on other chronic diseases such as shows on dementia or osteoporosis. </p>
<p>Now to ToniG: You missed the point. The aim of listing some of the proposed causal factors associated with obesity (such as,large portion sizes,ect) was not for you to debunk them one by one. Rather, this was an overview of the proposed factors that lead to weight gain. Not one of these factors are solely responsible. In fact, these highlight that there are a number of factors that lead excessive energy consumption and reduced activity, that are entrenched in our environments. These make a lot more sense than your &#8211; personal choice hypothesis.</p>
<p>I suggest you cease forming your opinions from Junk current affairs shows (ACA, Today To Fright) and reality TV (Biggest loser). Do some reading sister, the texts cited should provide you with a more balance view. Also, see the reference below.  </p>
<p>Vin: your right!, I have overcomplicated wight gain, for extract that reason. It is complicated.  </p>
<p>PS. Craig has gone quite, whats up with that ?????</p>
<p>Epstein D, Jimenez Rubio D, Smith PC, Suhrcke M. Social determinants of health: an economic perspective. Health Economics 2009;18:495-502.</p>
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		<title>By: Ange</title>
		<link>http://www.craigharper.com.au/health-nutrition/fat-by-choice/#comment-20157</link>
		<dc:creator>Ange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that the first 7 countries are Pacific small islands which have no McDonalds or takeway type shops around. I have visited both the Cook Islands and Palau for outrigging and they eat wonderful fresh fruit and veges and plenty of fish. So why are they in the highest ranking? They used to hunt, spear fish, paddle to the other islands as transport etc but are not as active anymore and the food even though good they have big portions. And allot of Cook Islanders don&#039;t drink!! Interested too know what everyone else thinks!!
Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that the first 7 countries are Pacific small islands which have no McDonalds or takeway type shops around. I have visited both the Cook Islands and Palau for outrigging and they eat wonderful fresh fruit and veges and plenty of fish. So why are they in the highest ranking? They used to hunt, spear fish, paddle to the other islands as transport etc but are not as active anymore and the food even though good they have big portions. And allot of Cook Islanders don&#8217;t drink!! Interested too know what everyone else thinks!!<br />
Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.craigharper.com.au/health-nutrition/fat-by-choice/#comment-20141</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig

I have to admit I laughed when you mentioned about accidentally eating anything...:-)

It does have me wondering that we have all this information, why is it not working?


We spend a lot of time in society focusing on getting people to loose weight and then we celebrate the fact these people have lost weight, well done to you, congratulations etc etc...Now i do agree it is great that people loose weight but I wonder some times if that also part of the problem? People like to know they have achieved something and getting fatter means if I loose the weight then people will notice and I will notice I have achieved something (Maybe unconsciously). (I&#039;ve been here not to do with weight though)

We don&#039;t celebrate as openly those people who never put the weight on in the first place. So I wonder whether society could change it&#039;s focus from weight loss to NON weight gain would that help???(Preventative rather than reactive?)

I also believe that a lot of weight issues stem from emotional issues and if more people got help with emotional issues then possibly we would have less weight problems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig</p>
<p>I have to admit I laughed when you mentioned about accidentally eating anything&#8230;:-)</p>
<p>It does have me wondering that we have all this information, why is it not working?</p>
<p>We spend a lot of time in society focusing on getting people to loose weight and then we celebrate the fact these people have lost weight, well done to you, congratulations etc etc&#8230;Now i do agree it is great that people loose weight but I wonder some times if that also part of the problem? People like to know they have achieved something and getting fatter means if I loose the weight then people will notice and I will notice I have achieved something (Maybe unconsciously). (I&#8217;ve been here not to do with weight though)</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t celebrate as openly those people who never put the weight on in the first place. So I wonder whether society could change it&#8217;s focus from weight loss to NON weight gain would that help???(Preventative rather than reactive?)</p>
<p>I also believe that a lot of weight issues stem from emotional issues and if more people got help with emotional issues then possibly we would have less weight problems?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.craigharper.com.au/health-nutrition/fat-by-choice/#comment-20134</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael and Devils.

I understand the points that you make.  And everything is always a matter of an individuals perceptions based on their own life experiences.

However, I take exception to the comments made by Michael about the superiority of thin people commenting.   I commented above and, yes I could be considered thin.  However my &#039;thinness&#039; only came about after 12 months of pulling my finger out and taking responsibility for my life and shedding 30kgs.  I did it with many tears, and a lot of bloody hard work.  

So having been someone who had the complex issues of obesity (and I had many issues, just ask my therapist) to someone who has had an internal shift and realised that I am the only person resonsbile for the outcome of my life, I feel absolutely qualified to make comment on my perception of weight loss/gain.  

There are a lot of self worth issues surrounding obesity and I agree that being told to suck it up sometimes can be confronting.  But sometimes its the hard love approach that gets results.  Its what worked for me.

Cheers
Nicole</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael and Devils.</p>
<p>I understand the points that you make.  And everything is always a matter of an individuals perceptions based on their own life experiences.</p>
<p>However, I take exception to the comments made by Michael about the superiority of thin people commenting.   I commented above and, yes I could be considered thin.  However my &#8216;thinness&#8217; only came about after 12 months of pulling my finger out and taking responsibility for my life and shedding 30kgs.  I did it with many tears, and a lot of bloody hard work.  </p>
<p>So having been someone who had the complex issues of obesity (and I had many issues, just ask my therapist) to someone who has had an internal shift and realised that I am the only person resonsbile for the outcome of my life, I feel absolutely qualified to make comment on my perception of weight loss/gain.  </p>
<p>There are a lot of self worth issues surrounding obesity and I agree that being told to suck it up sometimes can be confronting.  But sometimes its the hard love approach that gets results.  Its what worked for me.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Nicole</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly NH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly NH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If asked if anyone has a good excuse to not lose weight I could put my hand up and jump up and down (even that would be classed as physical exercise), as I have two significant related health problems to deal with in Hypothyroidism (for me this comes down to extreme fatigue and being extremely resistant to weight loss, even while medicated), and the associated Bradycardia (which causes me too pass out if my HR goes up to high. Not fun!)
There are two solid reasons why I could sit back and say &#039;Oh well its not my fault, its a legitimate health issue, blah, blah, blah, while stuffing myself with junky comfort foods&#039; .
I CHOOSE NOT to do that. 
I am still losing my weight gained through bad choices, not lack of education, facilities, or socio-economic issues. 
In fact when I was at my fattest (115kg) I was also at my most affluent, with huge amounts of spare time at my disposal. 
Now 4 years on at my current weight of 85kg (still losing the final 10kg), Im a part-time employed, studying, very financially unviable married mum of two!
I made all the choices that caused me to be fat, I put that excess food and alcohol into my own mouth.
NOW I make all the choices which have caused me to slowly lose the weight despite all the factors riding against me which  could conspire to cause me to be overweight. 
It is my choice. 
I do not believe the &#039;cheaper to buy junk food&#039; excuse. 
My family and I eat a lot of lentils/legumes, bulk fresh veges and fruit, and cheaper cuts of meat etc done in slow cookers. 
My shopping bill is now less (in comparison by ratio)  to feed a family of four than it was to feed just my husband and I before we had our children.
I have much less time in each day for myself, but I factor in at least a 1/2 - 1hr run each day (which requires only runners, a good pair of Dunlop runners endorsed by Cathy Freeman can be sourced from BigW for $45) I also run with the kids and play soccer and fit in incidental movement, and also allocate time to cook the family meal from scratch using cheap healthy ingredients. 
I had to grow up, toughen up and be a big girl. I was causing myself untold misery and disappointment. 
I achieved all this by taking it one meal, one step, ONE CHOICE AT A TIME!
Now 30kgs later I can proudly say it was each and every one of my choices which has got me to this point despite being given plenty of convenient excuses ie time poor, health issues which slow metabolism, lack of financial wealth, rural area with little &#039;fitness facilities&#039;, family commitments, lack of support, minimal child care facilities etc.
Im tired of this issue being overcomplicated and made to seem harder than it is. 
The answer for the MAJORITY (Notice I only said majority, not ALL))  is really as simple as Craig has put it. Its all choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If asked if anyone has a good excuse to not lose weight I could put my hand up and jump up and down (even that would be classed as physical exercise), as I have two significant related health problems to deal with in Hypothyroidism (for me this comes down to extreme fatigue and being extremely resistant to weight loss, even while medicated), and the associated Bradycardia (which causes me too pass out if my HR goes up to high. Not fun!)<br />
There are two solid reasons why I could sit back and say &#8216;Oh well its not my fault, its a legitimate health issue, blah, blah, blah, while stuffing myself with junky comfort foods&#8217; .<br />
I CHOOSE NOT to do that.<br />
I am still losing my weight gained through bad choices, not lack of education, facilities, or socio-economic issues.<br />
In fact when I was at my fattest (115kg) I was also at my most affluent, with huge amounts of spare time at my disposal.<br />
Now 4 years on at my current weight of 85kg (still losing the final 10kg), Im a part-time employed, studying, very financially unviable married mum of two!<br />
I made all the choices that caused me to be fat, I put that excess food and alcohol into my own mouth.<br />
NOW I make all the choices which have caused me to slowly lose the weight despite all the factors riding against me which  could conspire to cause me to be overweight.<br />
It is my choice.<br />
I do not believe the &#8216;cheaper to buy junk food&#8217; excuse.<br />
My family and I eat a lot of lentils/legumes, bulk fresh veges and fruit, and cheaper cuts of meat etc done in slow cookers.<br />
My shopping bill is now less (in comparison by ratio)  to feed a family of four than it was to feed just my husband and I before we had our children.<br />
I have much less time in each day for myself, but I factor in at least a 1/2 &#8211; 1hr run each day (which requires only runners, a good pair of Dunlop runners endorsed by Cathy Freeman can be sourced from BigW for $45) I also run with the kids and play soccer and fit in incidental movement, and also allocate time to cook the family meal from scratch using cheap healthy ingredients.<br />
I had to grow up, toughen up and be a big girl. I was causing myself untold misery and disappointment.<br />
I achieved all this by taking it one meal, one step, ONE CHOICE AT A TIME!<br />
Now 30kgs later I can proudly say it was each and every one of my choices which has got me to this point despite being given plenty of convenient excuses ie time poor, health issues which slow metabolism, lack of financial wealth, rural area with little &#8216;fitness facilities&#8217;, family commitments, lack of support, minimal child care facilities etc.<br />
Im tired of this issue being overcomplicated and made to seem harder than it is.<br />
The answer for the MAJORITY (Notice I only said majority, not ALL))  is really as simple as Craig has put it. Its all choice.</p>
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