The Master of the Pointless Conversation

If you’re like most people, then you often feel like you’re spending far too much time and emotional energy having certain conversations with certain people.

Imagine how many years we could add to our lives if we could reclaim all the time we’ve wasted on those pointless, meaningless, destructive, repetitious, mind-blowingly-frustrating, mind-numbingly-boring, too-many-to-remember conversations we’ve all had.

You know the ones.
Quite often they’re with the same people.
About the same issues.
Or similar.

And invariably we end up with the same result; frustration, conflict, anger, tears, drama or some combination thereof.
No joy, no solution, no agreement, no mutual understanding or respect.
And less time and productivity in our day.

They usually last for anywhere between five minutes and five hours and typically result in you feeling like you’ve been smashing yourself in the head with a bat for two days… then you hate yourself for being so dumb, emotional and reactive… only to repeat the process (ritual, habit) the next day, week, month.
I know… I’ve done it.
I once went out with a girl (yes, incredible I know) and we had the same conversation about the same issues fourteen million times.
Always with the same result; disagreement.
Over the course of three years, we found fifteen different thousand ways to have the same conversation!!.. all with the same outcome.
Fortunately for me (and her) I grew up and learned a little about communication.

Regarding these types of conversations, there are a few questions we should ask ourselves:
(1) Do I start them?
(2) Do I perpetuate them?
(3) Do I know how to finish/avoid them?
(4) Do I recognise when I’m in the middle of such a conversation?
(5) What’s the trade-off for my precious time and energy… why do I keep doing it?.. I must get something out of it right?
(6) Do I really want to change that part of my life?

We’ll never completely rid our life of the pointless conversation but it is in our interest to keep them (the destructive ones anyway) to a minimum… I’ve had many pointless (but hilarious) conversations in the staff room at work; the lads and I sitting around talking mindless, but very entertaining, crap.
No philosophy, no life-changing dialogue… but much hilarity.

But the fun, silly, incidental exchanges are not what I’m chatting about today; I’m talking about those conversations which invariably result in a negative emotional state for one or both parties.
Some of us seem to have faulty wiring; even though we know it’s pointless, we know it’s gonna be ugly… we can’t help ourselves… and we jump right in.. time after (painful) time.

And no, not every verbal exchange needs to be some deep, philosophical, life-changing, uplifting experience… after all, how exciting can we make the…
“Hey Sam can you pick up Josh from practice at five?… Err, Yeh… okay” conversation?
Not very.

But at some stage we need to acknowledge that we are (occasionally) masters of the pointless discussion.
Wasting time and energy on garbage conversations.
Lots of talking, but no listening.
Two people talking at each other.
A lot of going-around-in-circles.

I guess it could be argued that no conversation is meaningless as they all happen for a reason but.. it might be pertinent to ask:

“Is this a meaningful conversation?”… or

“Is this heavy-duty, intense, time-consuming (loud) conversation (1) likely to create a positive outcome/s or (2) worth the emotional investment?”

Often the answer will be… no.

If you have a habit of being involved in these pointless, all-too-regular, destructive conversations (willingly or not), here are my suggestions and thoughts:

(1) No matter how right you think you are; you’re probably not (not always, anyway).

(2) That really annoying person can’t have a pointless conversation by him/herself.

(3) Same creates same.. if nothing changes, nothing changes.. you know my thoughts on this.
If you keep doing the same (getting involved in those stupid discussions)… you’ll keep creating the same (pain).

(4) Using the same communication style with different people doesn’t work.
Different people respond to different approaches.
Ask yourself this question: “how do I need to communicate with this person to produce the best outcome?” What will engage one person, will alienate another… so figure it out.

(5) Identify the triggers for these conversations… and when you become aware that the conversation is beginning to spiral… (1) shut it down or (2) change tact.

(6) Don’t allow yourself to get into situations where you know you’re probably gonna head down the pointless conversation road. There are certain people that I’ll never give too much time because I know that I’m gonna lose an hour of my life for no good reason. If it was a productive, valuable hour with a positive outcome, I’d gladly give that hour to them… but it never is.
It’s always the same mindless, pointless, heard-it-all-before, woe-is-me.. crap.

(7) Don’t try and impose your thoughts, beliefs or ideas on anyone…. talk with them, not at them. Even if you’re one hundred percent right (’cause that’s gonna happen)… there’s still no point trying to convince, coerce, enlighten or impose… you’ll only create resentment, not respect.
“But Craig, I’m only trying to help!!!”
Yeh.. but you can’t teach someone who doesn’t want to learn.
Or doesn’t want to learn from you.

(8) We’ve spoken about Energy Vampires before, they are the ‘Top Guns’ of pointless conversations; the best of the best. So if you see Goose or Maverick heading in your direction, run.

Say Hi and let us know where you’re from.
Peace.

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Jen from Mildura August 9, 2007 at 7:44 am

Timely! I had one of these pointless conversations with Miss 17 last night – She who has a boyfriend and thinks it’s ok for him to be at our place every night vs me who says you need to balance your time between school, family, me time and boyfriend time. We’ve had similar conversations…she was not hearing me. I could see that – but tried a number of different ways of having a conversation – including telling her not to yell at me or we would stop talking. better go read about emotional vampires again!

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Anonymous August 9, 2007 at 8:19 am

Hi Craig, you just described my life. I would hate to think how many pointless conversations I have had about the same stuff with the same person.
It’s about to stop.

Thankyou so much!

Josie K,
Texas.

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Craig Harper August 9, 2007 at 8:22 am

Hi Jen.

Seventeen huh?

Hmmm.

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Craig Harper August 9, 2007 at 8:23 am

Hi Josie.

You’re welcome.
Make sure it does stop!!

Peace…

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Iceman in New Mexico August 9, 2007 at 11:14 am

Hey Viper-

Seems to me one of the lessons we need to learn from today’s exercise is to recognize when we’re outgunned and break off our attack (pointless conversation)before we get a missle up our six (get angry, frustrated, or resentful). By bugging out, we survive to fight another day! When we improve our tactics, we create more positive outcomes the next time we engage our “conversational adversary.”

BTW,funtwo’s version of Canon,while inspiring, doesn’t quite have the same effect on me as the theme from Top Gun!

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Emma August 9, 2007 at 11:18 am

Hi Craig. You make a good point. We need to be able to recognise when I have heading down the pointless conversation path.
BTW. I am a huge fan of your blog.
Emma

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Craig Harper August 9, 2007 at 11:42 am

Hey Iceman.

You know you turn me on with all that military speak.
Cut it out.

Peace..

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Craig Harper August 9, 2007 at 11:45 am

Hi Emma.

When you say you’re a huge fan, do you mean you’re seven feet tall?

Sorry.. just being silly.
Glad you like the blog Emma.. don’t be a stranger.

Have a fun day!

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Paula August 9, 2007 at 12:29 pm

I have a friend who drains me with the same conversation over & over. After each conversation, I think that the problem is dealt with, but hello, next time I see him, bingo, same conversation, same response…it drives me nuts.Why can’t this person move on!

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Kelvin from Los Angeles August 9, 2007 at 5:10 pm

I have a strange thought (but then again, I always do).

Consider this: If you are having a pointless conversation, you are in fact helping out other people.

When you don’t listen to this person, what’s this person going to do? He/she is going to find another person to complain to, and if that other person wouldn’t listen to it, he/she will find the next victim.

Now, we know this person will not stop trying to find someone to complain to, unless everybody refuses to listen to what he/she says… but we know that’s not going to happen. One of the people will stop to listen to this person.

So, by having a pointless conversation with this person, you are actually helping people… not the person doing the complaining, but the other people he/she will be complaining to. You would be doing volunteer work that will not benefit you in any way, but it will help some people out.

So consider this: being involved in this pointless conversation is actually a valuable community service!

Alright, alright, that’s an idea I suddenly came up with, that’s all. It’s not like I’d volunteer to listen to someone complain (unless they are attractive enough in some other aspects for me to put up with that every now and then).

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dianned1 August 9, 2007 at 10:35 pm

Hey Craig

Most of my life I have been a total magnet to these kind of people.
I am learning, and seem to run out of patience sooner than I used to.

How’s that…..you attract into your life the lessons you need to learn???

I am better at avoiding the vampires these days or at least by not fueling them, the “ONE WAY” conversation does not last as long.

This takes care of friends and acquaintances……what about the relatives????

~Dianne from Ontario~

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Craig Harper August 9, 2007 at 10:45 pm

Hi Paula.

Maybe you’ve gotta do the moving?
(away from him)

Don’t let him drag you down..

Take care.

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Craig Harper August 9, 2007 at 10:47 pm

Ya know what Kelvin?

You make me laugh… what goes on inside that head of yours?… You’re almost as crazy as me.

Careful.

Take care Bud… and thanks for your (out there) thoughts.

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Craig Harper August 9, 2007 at 11:00 pm

Hi Dianne.

Keep loving them.. just don’t talk to them (lol)!!

Peace…

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Tami August 11, 2007 at 8:41 am

hello sir craig!

I love this one too, not surprised are you! I am running late for the gym so I’ll make it a short one. No… I am not procrastinating, I am just warming up with mind stretches :) First I like Jen’s vampire story, if you don’t mind me saying Jen, try keeping score, everytime you warn Miss 17 about something and it comes to pass, score Jen…. when she is right (virtually never) she scores. Keep it on a wipe or chalk board on the fridge. Maybe she’ll see her odds are better with you. But then that is rational and what teen is, right? I hear these complaints, whines, or mind-numbing debates all the time from my specialists. I love to turn it around on them… make them accountable for how they are reacting to it instead of coddling them. If I have to be a grown-up so do they, I ask, why do you choose the let Jane’s lunch hour affect your whole day? Is focusing on your neighbor’s email assist you in your daily tasks? Yeah, they love me! Ok maybe the word is loath and I am pronouncing wrong! Either way, life is a series of storms, why is it some people love to waller in it instead of sterring clear. The water must be warm in the pity pool! They say misery loves company, but doesn’t joy and enthusiasm and excitment love company too? … I want to be invited to those parties. That’s why I am ready for the crazy cult…. ooooo oooo ooo.. choose me choose me! I can’t take another bite on my neck- I am spent! Ok, I am off like a dirty shirt…. catch ya next blog! Keep up the straight-shooting Cowboy Craig!
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Tami

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Craig Harper August 11, 2007 at 12:57 pm

Hi Tami.

Okay.. you’re in.
My cult that is.

Do you have skills?
And caftan?
And tamborine?

( )

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Jen from Mildura August 13, 2007 at 7:49 am

hey Tami and Craig – yes she’s 17 and we have the same/similar conversations about priorities of career, school, boyfriend and relationships….she would rather put her head in the sand than learn she is irrational, behaving badly and repeating behaviour of the past which I thought we had learned from. Counselor says she is throwing a ‘text book’ 17 year old rebellion that will go on for about 6 years. Needless to say she has within this week left home. She doesn’t ‘like’ it here (because mum won’t put up with her nonsense) and has runnaway to the boyfriends while she ‘decides where she’s gonna live’ but will ‘live with dad’ – confusing I know but I am used to her whacky thinking. I’ll leave the blog link this time since I ranted about it. I’ll say this without certainty because she is as chameleon like as her father – it appears she will go live with dad…she will have my blessing…they make a good pair.Life for me will be peaceful as Miss 13 is quite the opposite.

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Miss Beck August 14, 2007 at 11:40 pm

Hi,

Beckie from Bendigo. A woman who has had a few life changing moments in the past 8 months. All for thet better.

A friend of mine (who ALWAYS liked to win a discussion with everyone) said that one day his simple friend said “I bet your wife would like to win just once.”

He said it changed him and the way he spoke with people after that but especially her. He finally thought about how she must have felt always being proven wrong.

That really stuck in my mind.

New reader – instant fan. You’re a male version of me (minus the leopard print jacket).

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Craig Harper August 15, 2007 at 8:27 am

Hi Jen…

You might get bored with all that time and peace and quiet!?

Naaaah.

( )

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Craig Harper August 15, 2007 at 8:29 am

Hi Miss Beck,

How do you know I am sans leopard print?

Glad you’re on the team..

Enjoy your day Beckie.

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Jen from Mildura August 17, 2007 at 7:14 am

Dear Craig….Bored? You are rigt! Never…so many other wonderful things to do with both my time and money – more time for me to soak up the Craig harper lessons and actually do something for me rather than her. I have pampered myself this week and enjoyed every minute of the very rare self indulgence!

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